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My Dream Has Come True latest tower last page

by therevealer in

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"my dream has come true" i have a bullshite story in the latest watchtower..

No can I get out of going in service?

by Captain Obvious in

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as some of you who read my previous thread know, my matrix moment has passed, and i am on my way out.

i am trying very hard to fade slowly in hopes that my wife will wake up, and maybe my family too.

the problem is, my conscience still works well, and i don't want to go out in if service and tell people things that i know aren't true.

Captain Obvious

I'm having the same feelings about praying over the food.
Are you prayers the kind that are interesting, or do you end up saying pretty much the same prayer for every meal like me? After so many years it's hard to keep it fresh.
You too! I'm having trouble with this also, but have changed the prayers from "we appreciate the bOrg, and the spiritual food" and "please help us to live up to your standards" to "thanks for the food and life..... Amen".
I can only be honest, especially in a prayer. When I study and do research, I still pray about it. That's when I get to be honest.
So I ask the big guy to show me the TRUTH in the bible, and I find out that all the WT dogma is garbage. Side point, I know.
I really like the advice from you guys, I really appreciate it. I know it won't be long before I will quit cold turkey, but like I said before I want to buy some time so I can get some REAL preaching done. I'm thinking if I can't get out for "pretend service" I'll just have to fake it on the ol report.
I already know which of my friends will and won't shun me for doing what I'm doing. We have only been where we are for a year, and don't have that many friends in the hall... Probably because I'm "weak".

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No can I get out of going in service?

by Captain Obvious in

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as some of you who read my previous thread know, my matrix moment has passed, and i am on my way out.

i am trying very hard to fade slowly in hopes that my wife will wake up, and maybe my family too.

the problem is, my conscience still works well, and i don't want to go out in if service and tell people things that i know aren't true.

Captain Obvious

As some of you who read my previous thread know, my matrix moment has passed, and I am on my way out. I am trying very hard to fade slowly in hopes that my wife will wake up, and maybe my family too.

The problem is, my conscience still works well, and I don't want to go out in if service and tell people things that I KNOW aren't true. I have felt this way for a few months, but have managed to get out once for 3 hrs each month for the past few months. This has kept the elders off of my trail for the time being. I have always hated service, since I was a kid. It is so humiliating! And I feel bad for the people I bother on their day off, and even worse for the people who seem interested!

Last month I managed to go out but not get out of the truck all day! That was good. My wife has agreed that if I go out, she will take the doors(her idea!). But this month, I don't know if I can do it. April might just be my first non-reporting month. I know this will bring the hounders, but I just can't do it. My conscience is KILLING me! And I know for sure it won't let me lie on my FS report. I hate lying, and liars.

Anyone have any ideas? It's tough to guarantee I can go out with someone and just do RVs, because. The hounded are pretty big on doing at least half RVs and half territory.

Hell, my conscience bothers me when I go to a meeting! My wife sees how much it bothers me, I'm lucky she sort of understands and sympathies with me. I have shown her the things I don't believe and why.

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Explain in a FEW word's why the 607 date is incorrect.

by XPeterX in

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"if you can't explain it simply you don't understand it wel enough" albert einstein.

Captain Obvious

2520 years is not to be found in any prophecy in the Bible.

607 could be correct for the destruction of Jerusalem, (which it isn't 587/6 is), and it would make no difference to the above statement.

I like this. The 70 weeks of years just.... Isn't there. WHY start at the destruction of Jerusalem at all? Daniel 4 has the fulfillment right there. There is no reason to take it beyond that.

The WT says that the prophecy of no one being seated upon the throne (after zedekiah) until he that is worthy is seated upon it refers to there being no one in charge of Gods people until Jesus takes power in heaven.

Unfortunately for the WT the bible says that Jesus sat down at the right hand of God as soon as he was brought back up to heaven, and is still sitting there now.. "until the last enemy, death is put as a stool for his feet". Is there still death? Then nothing has changed in heaven. Done.

But it is ironic that they insist on discrediting archaeologists who disagree with the 607 date, but when they agree with 537, it becomes an "absolute date".

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NHL Playoffs: who ya got puckheads?

by unshackled in

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greetings my fellow fans of the frozen pond and old-time hockey.. it's time for the playoffs beard!.

so let's pick 'em.

who will be drinking from lord stanley's mug this year?

Captain Obvious

Vancouver! 'Nuff said.

They are stronger than last year, they also seem to have the Sedin and Luongo problems under control. Lou just can't handle it mentally unfortunately. He needs a break sometimes to get his head right, hopefully they give it to him. And by the Sedin problem, I mean I'm hoping they remember to show up before the finals this year.

Of course we all know that win or lose, the fans will trash the city either way. ugh. That was embarrassing last year.

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Submitting an experience to WTS

by tootired2care in

just curious, you always hear of the experiences in the yearbook or the wt about how jehovah provided for some lowly pioneer or disadvantaged person, or someone that put jehovah first.

were you ever personaly involved in one of the experiences or involved enough in the background to see how these experiences were authenticated for publications or assembly?

i'm wondering how much of these stories we hear are exaggerated or just outright lies,and what they had to do to sell it to us to motivate us to pioneer.

Captain Obvious

Nope not personally, but I do know the crap a lot of pioneers put themselves through so that they can go out in field circus full time.

Could it be that some stories get embellished or exaggerated in the pioneer or missionary's mind so that they can feel justified in their thankless work?

Something to think about.

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A new member of the thinking class

by Captain Obvious in

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this is my first post on this forum, though it feels like i already know some of you here.

i have been lurking for a couple of months now, and i must say, there honestly seems to be more love and respect here than any forum i have ever seen on any forum of any kind.

i am 25 years old, married 3 years to my wonderful wife who is 22. we had a somewhat classic jw upbringing... which i now know has been our biggest problem.

Captain Obvious

Not sure how to post a quote on here on iPad just yet so here's a copy and paste..

This thread is awesome. *bookmarked* forever The love and understanding coming out here is certianly amazing. At first I didn't know if I would feel safe here but I do and I think you sense it too Captian Obvious. Obviously right? lol I think the best piece of advice in this thread goes to linsc. *hugs* linsc

She will unconsciously expect you to behave more 'worldly' and display less fruits of the spirit. So what you have to do is be the best damn husband! I'm sure you already are, but be more.More kind, loving, romance her, and don't ever become angry or short, do well beyond your share of the chores, have dinner ready for her coming in, you know what I mean. If she goes to the meeting without you, she's got the perfect man to come home to! In time you can 'win her without a word'.
AGREED! It feels great to be able to share this with people who understand and can relate and give REAL advice.
And project perfect husband has started! As far as acting 'worldly' goes, I haven't changed at all. Like I said before I was never a super dub. I swear a bit on occasion, listen to whatever music I feel like, and my wife has never really taken issue. In fact one of the things I really liked about her when we first got together was that I never felt the need to censor myself around her. If she was looking for the perfect JW husband, she would have dumped me fast and found one. Instead she chose the one who was a bit more edgy, drank and partied a bit (with her), but had actual tangible goals that didn't involve waiting for Armageddon.
I think if anything I ever did that made some Dubs feel uncomfortable is take an unbiased, non-hypocritical or self-righteous view of other people and their culture/beliefs. The self righteousness has always made me uncomfortable, almost as much as the total control by MEN over people's lives.
TheCrushed, we will be in touch. Our situations are very similar, except for our past.

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Absurd WT Control in April 2012 KM

by LostGeneration in

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yeah in the section on attending the convention, you will find this gem:.

"therefore, we should give attention to our dress and grooming while in the convention city, including when we check in at the hotel.

arriving in shorts and a t-shirt would not reflect dignity.".

Captain Obvious

We have to make a minimum 4 hour drive to the ASSembly... Not a chance we're stopping to change before checking in!

Hmmmm could be a good thing to bring up in conversation, gauge responses.

I remember at a convention last year when I had JUST started to wake up. The speaker held up the little pamphlet about dress and grooming when visiting bethel. He explained that this was a guideline from the FDS for everyday. This is how we should look when we show up to someone's hose for dinner, or a small gathering. That hit me like a ton of bricks. I thought, 'who the F do they think they are?'

I looked around, people just glazed over. Staring at the stage, taking notes like this was direction straight from the big guy himself. It helped impress on me the control these old farts really have over the sheeple.

The fact is, the more asinine the claims, demands and "suggestions" from the GB, the more people will be willing to disobey. It might even help some wake up! I know it helped me.

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A new member of the thinking class

by Captain Obvious in

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this is my first post on this forum, though it feels like i already know some of you here.

i have been lurking for a couple of months now, and i must say, there honestly seems to be more love and respect here than any forum i have ever seen on any forum of any kind.

i am 25 years old, married 3 years to my wonderful wife who is 22. we had a somewhat classic jw upbringing... which i now know has been our biggest problem.

Captain Obvious

I think some of you have hit the nail on the head. The WT no longer shows up proofs, just cranks up the CULTure. It has become a social thing, people more concerned with their appearances to those in the hall.

"I think the GB has lost their way" I like that. I think I might use that if you don't mind nugget!

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A new member of the thinking class

by Captain Obvious in

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this is my first post on this forum, though it feels like i already know some of you here.

i have been lurking for a couple of months now, and i must say, there honestly seems to be more love and respect here than any forum i have ever seen on any forum of any kind.

i am 25 years old, married 3 years to my wonderful wife who is 22. we had a somewhat classic jw upbringing... which i now know has been our biggest problem.

Captain Obvious

Thank you all for your response! I didn't realize quite how many on here are or have been in my situation.

I am starting to realize that patience is key, and it's true... Talking about doctrinal mistakes or history doesnt get through to her. Neither does logic. She shuts down and just states that she doesn't care about what happened before. I really hope it doesn't take 10 years! Though it would be worth it.

We don't have kids yet, we haven't really had the desire for them yet. We're still young. I've always half joked with her that we would be having at least 100 kids in the new system! But none in this one. Now that my eyes are open, it's clear that putting it off longer will just make us like so many other couples we know... Pretty much too late to start. I also realize that there is NO way my kid(s) would be raised as JWs. A baby now would push decision time for me way up, and likely cause huge problems for us.

I like the ideas for her to study, maybe just even try to prove the doctrines to herself using only the bible. She now works shift, and also misses half the meetings, so I'm hoping this will help get her mind out a bit. She still always feels guilty though about not doing more service and stuff.